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Ever reminisce about the scent of fresh welds or swap tales of a hard day's work with seasoned tradespeople like the legendary dock builder Larry? That's exactly where Montana, today's guest from the CWB Group, takes us in a heartwarming and insightful conversation. Journey with us through her transition from hands-on welding in small-town Ontario to the professional corridors of the CWB, as we discuss the importance of welding qualifications and the rich experiences that shape careers in the trades. So, grab your headphones and join us for a personal and professional exploration that celebrates the welding world's past, present, and future.
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The CWB Association brings you a weekly podcast that connects to welding professionals around the world to share their passion and give you the right tips to stay on top of what’s happening in the welding industry.
Ever reminisce about the scent of fresh welds or swap tales of a hard day's work with seasoned tradespeople like the legendary dock builder Larry? That's exactly where Montana, today's guest from the CWB Group, takes us in a heartwarming and insightful conversation. Journey with us through her transition from hands-on welding in small-town Ontario to the professional corridors of the CWB, as we discuss the importance of welding qualifications and the rich experiences that shape careers in the trades. So, grab your headphones and join us for a personal and professional exploration that celebrates the welding world's past, present, and future.
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Alright, I checked, checked, I'm good. So I'm Max Ron. Max Max Ron. Cwb Association welding podcast podcast. Today we have a really cool guest welding podcast. The show is about to begin.
Speaker 1:This episode is sponsored by our friends at Canada Welding Supply. They are a family owned Canadian business with an awesome customer support team that's there, ready to answer any questions you may have. Canada Welding Supplyca offers quick Canada wide shipping, fair prices and a massive selection of welding supplies. They carry all the cool brands such as ESAB, lincoln Electric and Fronius, but also some of the very hard to find niche brands like Furecup, outlaw Leather and, of course, up and smoke welding apparel. Best of all, they offer exclusive discounts only for our CWB Association members. Check out Canada Welding Supplyca today to shop for all your welding needs. Remember that's Canada Welding Supplyca. Hello and welcome to another edition of the CWB Association podcast. My name is Max Ron and, as always, I am looking everywhere for the coolest stories I can find. Today I have someone who I've met, hung out with and is a wonderful person, who also works here at CWB. So we're going to get into some deep dives here with Montana, wully, wully, wully. Who's coming to us from Ontario, montana, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 1:I'm doing fantastic. It's actually I'm feeling good. It's like minus 50 here in Regina, Saskatchewan, so I'm hiding out in my house. I'm supposed to go do some errands this afternoon, but I don't know if I'm going to cause. It's real cold.
Speaker 2:That seems fair. It seems fair. I mean, I'm dreaming out of minus eight and it's a little bit snowy, but it's not too bad out today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ontario. You know I'm going to get some gripe for this, but Ontario they're kind of wimpy, you know. Like it's like they get like an inch of snow or you know two and a half centimeters of snow and it's like schools off bus, no buses, like I keep hearing these things like called snow days. I don't know if we've ever had a snow day that I can recall in my life in Saskatchewan and we had like meters of snow and blizzards. And we're still. We're still going to school. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Like I see it. I see it. I mean, I just had my last winter in Alberta, close to Saskatchewan border, so that was a. It was a different winter, for sure, very bitter and very cold. And actually that winter there was more snow than they had seen in 10 years and it was quite a small town, so they all equated it to the Ontario person moving to Alberta and bringing her snow with her.
Speaker 1:Yes, your fault.
Speaker 2:It was yeah and I could see it. I understood why it was mine. But yeah, I would say there is. There's different winters, for sure, but there were snow days in my small town for the buses.
Speaker 1:Really Well for buses.
Speaker 2:There were two.
Speaker 1:So if there was no buses, does that mean you didn't have to go to school, or you just had to find another way to school?
Speaker 2:Pretty much Like if you walked, you're still walking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause I always walked, right, I didn't take a bus to school, I always walked. So I remember there was days that there was no buses, but you still had to go to school if one way or another. Or you got to stay home, like I mean. But I'd be sitting at school sometimes and it'd be like half the students wouldn't show up because their parents let them stay home and my parents never let me stay home.
Speaker 2:So oh, my parents always let me stay home, so it was a dream. It was a dream.
Speaker 1:And that's how we ended up being welders everyone. All right, montana, let's talk a little bit about yourself. Let's talk first of all. You know what is it you do at CWB. What's your job?
Speaker 2:So I'm inside sales. So I work with the CSRs, working with our certified companies, or companies are looking to be certified, to get their personnel into courses to get qualified. So I primarily work in like welding supervisor, level one, level two and all the kind of nitty gritty in between. So, code books.
Speaker 1:Code books lots of code books wheeling and dealing. So if a company calls CWB and says, hey, I'm interested in becoming a CWB certified company, does that person say, okay, I'm going to transfer you to Montana right now. Or is there like preliminary steps that happen before that that happens, like to get sent to you?
Speaker 2:No, so I just work with the people. So another or another person in the company will work with the company to get it actually certified and I just work with getting people into the courses and really getting them the paperwork in order, making sure they know all the information, what exams they have to complete to get their certification for their welding supervisor and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool. So to get to this job it's been quite a winding path and you're a young person, so it's been pretty winding for a young person.
Speaker 2:It has. I mean, I feel like I have done so many jobs. I forget even when I started welding, when I had to give you that like little biography before we did the meeting there was. I had to go back and see when I had graduated and I was like wow, I'm getting old, I am getting old.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, don't even go there getting old, you're so young. All right, so I see here that you graduated from a two year apprenticeship and welding a fab in Cornwall, ontario. So let's go back to before that. So you were born and raised in Ontario. Are you from Cornwall?
Speaker 2:No, I'm from a small town called Brockville.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. So being raised in Brockville, ontario, what was, what was Montana's little girl dream? You know, when you're a young girl growing up, what is it that you wanted to be when you grew up?
Speaker 2:Honestly, looking back, I never really had like a set path. I was always really flip floppy. All I knew was I like to make concoctions in the kitchen and I like to rip apart electronics and see what put them together.
Speaker 1:So you were thinking either a chef or an engineer. Pretty much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my parents were really thinking like architect, I think, for me. They really thought we're kind of trying to get that into my wheelhouse in my mind. But growing up I really had no set like this is what I want to be. I remember it was that time in grade 12 where they're really trying to get you to apply to colleges and get you to figure out what you want to do. I was working part time at Goodwill hanging clothes in the evenings and I thought randomly I was like I could be a welder, I could do that.
Speaker 1:Was it something you saw? Did something cross your? Were you hanging up coveralls and were like hey, welding? I don't know it was like sweaters and T-shirts, because they were easy to hang up, so you could get them done quick, but yeah, kind of just.
Speaker 2:honestly, I can't tell you why I decided that I should do this. I just did it and I applied to do it. I told my career counselor at school that I had, like I'm going to be a welder, so he had set me up to go and shadow a welder at a shop and I thought it was rad. Like I immediately fell in love with everything the smell, the sound, how it looked like, what the process was, everything. So I did that and then I got into that two year apprenticeship program and I was one of the only ones who had never had any experience in welding and, to be clear, like, I had never used a drill, I had never built anything, I had never used a grinder.
Speaker 1:So not too savvy.
Speaker 2:No, I used to get my nails done every six weeks, like I was that you know I used to be real on that. That stopped very quickly once getting into welding call or school that I stopped getting my nails done.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I still get done every now and then, though. It is like a break, or I'm not too punchy, all you get them done.
Speaker 2:But yeah, and then I started that like that program, didn't really know what I was doing there, had a lot of self doubt the first few months, if I'm completely honest, but I don't know what I'm here for, like I'm not fitting in. But then I met Mark Metzloff, who was one of the teachers there, and he really took me under his wing and was like yeah, you don't know what. He looked at me one day. He's like you don't know what you're doing, you don't know a single thing. I was like no, I don't, I don't know a single thing or what I'm doing. And after that moment he kind of took me under his wing and really took the time to like show me things. And I'm a big why person where if I don't understand why I'm doing it, I don't won't do it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean If I don't see a little behind it, not for everything, but in that sense like it really helps me understand why I'm doing things. So he took me under his wing and then I ended up getting the apprenticeship program or apprenticeship position at the college over the summer and then I worked just one on one with Mark and he really taught me a lot of stuff. We did a lot of cool stuff like welding cans together, fitting a lot of weird like neat stuff together, a ton of like little fitting tips and tricks that like you wouldn't really know until you've done it, and really like my, my skill took off and my confidence took off with like that mentorship. And after that I did the second year. It went pretty well. It went well Graduated and I started in a small shop in my hometown right after graduation doing a Skyjack lift, lifts for scissor lifts, doing the gates for those kinds of things and like kind of anything that would come through the door.
Speaker 2:I didn't have any one offs and like other small contracts. So I worked there for a while getting used to that kind of getting my feet wet, met a lot of old guys that had been around. So again, like it was just it was simple work but with the people I was working with. I was just gaining so much knowledge all the time and it was just like it was. It was rad, it was really good time. Kind of got bored of that. So then I started getting into building windows and doors Again another simple job, but really showed you how, like job site construction, how the build, like the house goes up, like where you're going to go in and measure for your windows and your door frames, like what you need to look at on the like the blueprint. Learn a ton from again, like some of the older, guys there and like, just it was nuts, you know.
Speaker 2:I met a guy named Woody there who, who should like, really schooled me. After that I met this guy named Larry who was building docks for the St Lawrence River. He had his own little company out of the back of his house outside of Brockville and I used to go there in the evenings and I was always double fifth in jobs, like I was doing probably two welding jobs at a time most of the time, and I would work in the morning till about 330 in Kingston doing that windows and doors, and then I would drive back to Brockville and work in Brockville at this little welding shop from like 430 to midnight, get up and do it all over again. Like I just love learning.
Speaker 1:All right, let's, let's. Let's stop here. We've covered a lot of things and I already got questions building up, so let's go. Let's go back to the start of this. You know you took a two year apprenticeship welding and fabrication program in Cornwall, so let's talk about that program. You know you said that you rolled in. How did you find that program? What is? Is it a welding only? Is it weld fab? Is it one year of each? Explain what the program was and what that experience was like for you in a little bit more detail.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I think getting it was bumpy, it's very it's. They started off with cutting oxy, acetylene cutting and plasma cutting and a lot of theory in the first couple of weeks. Then they start letting you in the shop more and I thought I thought it was a really great program with the structure where I was a beginner and I had grasped everything pretty quickly with, like, the teachers it was small class sizes, everybody was really buddy buddy, like it was a really good community of like everybody helping everybody in their booth.
Speaker 1:How many girls was there or other? You know types or other females. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I believe we started with I don't hold me to it. I think we started with six and I know we finished with, I think, four or five.
Speaker 1:Okay, so not not bad. Not bad for class.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, and obviously, like I had gotten really close with one of the other girls and it was really great having another female in the class to kind of bounce ideas off of, because yeah, and it was just really great. And the second year was more like focused on fabricating things and the process behind Making your measurements, making your calculations with the steel, fitting things together where you did have a fitting and a drawing class. So you do a drawing class, draw your blueprint and then, right after you, take it to your fitting class and Then you'd start cutting it out and working on your project in that aspect. So that was really cool, where they really really show you start to finish how to do stuff.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I want it. Yeah, when you're done, so, like you finish this course, it sounds like you got pretty good welding, pretty good fab. Do you have to pick which trade you're gonna follow, like, if you want to be a steel fabricator, take your hours and go down that path? Or was it like everyone that graduates is gonna go off to welding? The fabricating was just to make you a better welder.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think, with how diverse and like what knowledge you gained from the program, you could go either way. I First I went the welding route where I really I really enjoyed structural steel. But I know some of the other guys like they really liked aluminum and stainless steel and that kind of Job market so they went more that way. But they do show you, like we did aluminum, we did stainless steel and we did steel welding. We didn't do a ton of stainless steel but they give you enough that you could get into a job and be like, hey, I just graduated, this is what I can do. Do you want to? Yeah, give me a go.
Speaker 1:And then when you finish, how hard was it to find a job. Like you said, you're in a small town, brockville. Cornwall is not huge either, you know was was there lots of work waiting for your class when you graduated I?
Speaker 2:Don't think any of us really had a hard time finding a job. I think, like I found a job. I hadn't even graduated yet and I had this job lined up. I think if they, like certain people, were waiting for certain jobs to come up so they would had taken different jobs until that particular welding job came available but I don't think anybody really that and we all stayed in contact. Nobody had a hard time out of the gate and with the program I took because it's the two-year Fabrication and welding a pre-apprenticeship program during the summer They'll help you find Apprenticeships where you live. So then that way, like you're starting your apprenticeship hours in between the two years.
Speaker 1:And that's really a struggle in Ontario because apprenticeships not that strong of a system in Ontario. I know they're pumping lots of money to try to strengthen it and make it stronger, like in the West. You know obviously apprenticeships a bigger, much bigger deal out in the West. So you know it is good to hear that now For you to to get out there and get that first job and, and you know, get your teeth, you know, into the steel. You said right at the beginning of this and you started learning, that you loved some of the things and I love that. You said you love the smell of Welding, because that is that is something that like for welders it's like secret code, like we know we'll walk into a shop, take a big wave and be like alright, someone's welding stainless sounds like it smells like someone was grinding on some aluminum. Oh, I think someone's doing some root welds over there. Yeah, you can tell a lot from smell. So what is your favorite or most recognizable of the smells?
Speaker 2:Honest, I think my favorite At any situation is stick welding. That's my favorite.
Speaker 1:Like 70 or like 60?
Speaker 2:Both like a little. I love when, like you put your eye, you get that root cap or your root You're, you're rooting with your 60, 10 and then the smell of like your first 70, 18 burning on top and it's just so nice and then, like you, get that little bit of grinding smell.
Speaker 2:It's banging and I used to work part-time in a bar in Alberta and I remember you know I got a good sniffer. My dad says I'm like a little hound dog. Anyways, like I would hear, I would see the guys come in and I could smell. I'm like you were welding today.
Speaker 1:You were you were well.
Speaker 2:Today you weren't so well.
Speaker 1:My kids grew up around me welding and then I didn't weld for a while. I went and they would notice when I'd come home and I was welding. They're like oh, you welded. Today you smell like welding again, you smell like steel. It's like yeah, yeah, you got me. They knew right away and I remember that from my dad. My dad would come home spelling like iron shavings because he was a boiler maker. So it's very interesting how those smells kind of like get locked in your brain like. They're like core memories, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely and then you went to work for some windows and door places. I did some overhead door work and Let me tell you what I learned working windows and doors and construction is how out of square buildings are. And they tell you to put it In windows and doors, which have to be perfectly square, into walls that are not even close to square. And I remember thinking like how come I have to be so precise? But they get like plus or minus an inch or a foot, I don't know like how can that be so out of square and be okay? And then it comes to the welders and we have to be like within a 16th or we got fired. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I Remember, like because I was so again, I was so naive you know what I mean Like I just I wanted to see everything, I wanted to try a little bit of everything, but I knew I loved structure. So when I went into this windows and doors and again coming from like kind of like a very small mawn paw, like welding company, where they're not like there is tolerances, but like they understand, like I was learning, so like you know, I spent a lot of time with the grinder in the first few months you know, I really, I really got to love it and really good at it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean I would do these like to perfect, like you know what I mean, like I was so proud of them, you know, get them all look like just mint. We show up on site, put it in and I'm like why is there a giant gap over there?
Speaker 1:And then the carpentry people are like, just put some shims in there, you're fine.
Speaker 2:Okay like all right, I'm definitely getting a dony on the way home. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even know that people are like. People will bring up to me, be like have you ever thought about building a house or getting a house built for you? I'm like I don't know if I could handle watching someone build me a house. I would be like they wouldn't kick me off site. They'd kick me off site because I'd be like yo, this is like five, eight so, and they're gonna be like oh, that's fine, I'll be like no. Yeah, no exactly and then you want to work with Larry in the boats.
Speaker 2:Larry and a boat. So, uh, with Larry, I had met him through a friend, a friend of a friend, and he was just this really old man who had a ton of contacts in, or a ton, not a ton of contacts, but a ton of people around that knew who he was and knew what he did. Uh, so he used to just build docks, and a lot of it, for the st Lawrence River, and Brockville is right on the st Lawrence River, so we have a lot of people who live on the water. Um, and he just did it really like kind of out of his backyard, like very, just, just an old man building docks, and people knew that.
Speaker 2:So I had gotten in with him and I remember he had brought me out to do like a little weld test he wanted to see if I was going to be worse and bringing me out there because he was actually getting pretty sick and he couldn't weld anymore. But he could do all the work, just not put it together and just not weld anymore. So he brings me out and he gives me this little paper template and he is like the stereotypical kind of like very old old man, like welder, like 65, like just you could tell like just he's seen things, he's done things. So he brings me out and he brings me back to his little shop and he's drawing out this little piece of paper on a like for real a cigarette. He's drawing me out his little blueprint, throws it to me and he goes go cut these out, go find steel in the yard and just cut it out. So I was very nervous, very nervous, nelly, because I'm like you know, you're out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2:This guy gives me a little piece of paper, I'm like, okay, like I'll go look through the grass for this. So I find it. Cut them out. I do six of them. They were just like the little anchors that would go on the top of the docks you would tie your ropes through. I cut them out and it was oxy propane he was using which I had never that's so slow.
Speaker 2:It was, and I was used to oxy acetylene and I had never used oxy propane. So he comes over, shows me how to, like, like, set it up. So I'm like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause you got to crank the propane. You got to crank it yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So he gives me like a quick lesson, kind of like throws it at me, goes back to his little chair. He's got his little beer sitting there and he's just. He's just watching and I'm cutting them out and they're falling. I'm cutting them out, they're falling and I can tell I'm like this is not going well, like I'm I'm seeing them come out. I'm like you know he comes over. But I was like it is what it is. You know he comes over and he's like not one of these are the same. Not one of these are the same. I was like not yet, not yet.
Speaker 1:Let me get to grinding. I'm a good grinder.
Speaker 2:Took that. So again, because God bless, I was so good at grinding by this point took me 15 minutes to get these six all like pristine and like. Again, when I was cutting them out they didn't look too good. By the time I finished polishing them up they were all exact, all looked really good. Looks at them, kind of shrugs. He's like what have been better if you didn't have to grind it? Oh, I know, I know I'll get there.
Speaker 2:And he hired me on and that was the most fun I have ever had in a job where he had a little boat and we'd go out in his boat and we'd go to these different islands during the day and do measurements for their docs and talk to these people and kind of see what they were doing. He ended up right before. Unfortunately, he did pass away. We were getting ready. He had a barge that we were going to cut apart to turn into a bridge from one island to another, just like a little, like it was literally just so his golf cart could go across, because the guy wanted his golf cart to go from island to island and unfortunately, like so he. We were getting ready to kind of start planning that and like see if we wanted to do it, or see if he could do it, and unfortunately passed away. But again, like more.
Speaker 1:I never learned more. Did he pass away like, suddenly, like? Just like you went to work and one day it was like oh no, larry's not here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So, like it had been like we were talking a lot, we'd always kind of like meet up for lunch and at this point winter had hit and it was an outdoor shop, so we weren't welding outside anymore and we were more just talking about learning. We were learning about for next summer, coming like what I was going to do, like why I was going to do it, just like a lot of like the nitty gritty stuff, and I, yeah, one day he I just got a phone call and said Larry had just passed away and it was a bummer. It was a bummer, but I think that's just life. You know what I mean, like with welding, especially when you make it that old, and especially from what he had done in his career. He was surprised he was still alive to that day. Even he's like I'm just waiting.
Speaker 2:I'm just waiting at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my mentor is one of my mentors died young and you know it is. That's the industry, right, it's. It's what's what it takes a lot of, especially back in the day. It really took a lot out of you. I think it's better for kids coming up now, but I worry about my health. I mean I welded stainless for over 10 years without ever wearing a mask, like I mean it was totally normal. And I'm talking flux core 05 to stainless, like I mean I'm breathing in gallons of smoke and and it was like. Now it's like, oh, if you breathe any of this stuff, you're dead.
Speaker 2:It's like oh, I got a. I got a joke for you boys.
Speaker 1:So did you think about taking over Larry's reigns, Like I mean, it sounds like he had a good business there. That might have been a fun thing to take that over and be the duck girl, you know.
Speaker 2:I don't not really, just because, like it was so low and it was yeah, and it was really based on every.
Speaker 2:These people just knew Larry and they knew his quality of work.
Speaker 2:Like he wasn't advertising, like hey, I do docs, like I was doing this more in the evenings and then doing like a regular welding job during the day, and then I would literally just go out and sit in this field and weld these docs together, listening to my music, and it was just me, myself and I and Larry sitting in a chair, and it was great, like I think it was more just.
Speaker 2:I never saw it as like this is going to be my career, because I knew I really wanted to get back into the structural and as well. I don't know how to swim, I don't, I don't, I'm not a big fan of water, so I knew it wasn't really going to be like my finishing career, but it was just such a great learning stepping stone that helped, I think, build me into like the type of welder I am today, where, coming from a school setting and again, I had no previous like background in welding or putting things together I didn't have the mindset of like looking at a pile of scrap and then putting it together into something else, like in my head.
Speaker 2:I'm like I have to order steel to make this and Larry's like I got this out here, we'll cut that, put that there. I got that over there, just bring that up and put that there. And so it was a great experience in the fabrication side, I think, yeah.
Speaker 1:So back up, you don't know how to swim. No, so you grew up in Baroqueville, ontario, on the St Lawrence River and you don't know how to swim.
Speaker 2:I fear the water at a respect.
Speaker 1:So so this tells me something. I'm going to put my psychology hat on and say you must have had some traumatic experience with water early on to scare you from the water, because all mammals can swim. This is science. All mammals can swim. You throw any mammal in the water and they'll swim unless they panic. Panic makes you sink. So yeah, what? What is it that happened that makes you be like no dice with the water?
Speaker 2:I honestly I can't really put my finger on it, but it's, it is. It's just no dice, like I'm always like where's my floaty?
Speaker 1:Does anybody have a life?
Speaker 2:jacket. Like I don't like. I love a good. I love a good sitting pool. I love a pool with a floaty. Like I'll get in the water as long as I have Like I could like if I was on the Titanic forget it forget it Like it was a no go, like I respect water.
Speaker 1:I respect water. I'm scared of drowning Like I think it's normal to be, but but I can swim people because like I have a boat and I go out fishing lots in the summer and people are always like, come out with me on my boat and my boat's got like one of those little dive off like you can dive off of it and stuff, and my friends will always dive into the water Like Max dive in. I'm like no, like I don't like diving into the lake in the middle of the lake. It freaks me out because I'm just kind of scared and I have life jacket and people like, oh, you can't swim. It's like no, actually I am a really good swimmer. I just don't like the idea of getting my toes nibbled on by a giant jackfish. I don't know, it freaks me out. I just or when you see the weeds, the big deep weeds, that freaks me out. It's like I've watched too many horror movies. I know Michael Myers is down there or Jason or somebody.
Speaker 1:So I'm I'm not, I'll just stay in my boat and do boat stuff, listen to my music, smoke cigarettes. I don't know boat stuff, you know all right. So you're done with Larry, or sorry, larry's done with you, I guess. And and now what you know, because you are working two jobs, which seems not I'm the worst. I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't work two jobs because I've worked two or three jobs my entire life. I found it to be my recipe for success is to just outwork the world and it worked out for me, but I don't know necessarily if it's a healthy choice for lifestyle. So you know, like you mentioned a couple of times, that you always go to at least two jobs. Why?
Speaker 2:Why I'm on that. Well, I think that was in my early, early 20s when I was like really desperate to find my path and I wasn't sure like I definitely like enjoyed every job for different reasons but I wasn't sure if this was my to go to job. And then I was always there was always like a little bit of fear that okay, what if I switched to this job and I actually don't like it and I want to go back to the old job. So I'm a big I have. I'm always like one foot, two, like one foot needs to do work kind of until I make my decision.
Speaker 2:And it's not like I was like dying, you know, with like Larry working on the docs, like that would be until maybe eight, 39, 30 at night. That wasn't too bad. And then again it's like easy work with the windows and doors. I mean, you've built windows and doors. It's not, it's more technical, it's more just like real finicky work where you're really got to be very particular with it. And with the Mon Pah shop, like that was again easy work because I was always used to doing it. So I think like every time I was looking for that second job, I was just always looking for more knowledge, something else, more knowledge.
Speaker 2:And then once I got that, I'd kind of go, I always went back to like that little Mon Pah shop in my hometown and then I did windows and doors in that one. And then I stopped the windows and doors because, again, I just everything was square, and then you bring it to site and then everything's out of square, which, like I can appreciate, everybody has their own role and everything, but I just I, I didn't love that aspect. So I was like, kid, stop for me, because I don't have enough passion to keep doing this. And then I went back to Mon Pah and then I started with Larry and then Larry passed away and then I went back again to Mon Pah and then I realized like, okay, at this point I'm kind of wanted like the higher up welders here. You know I've been around a block a few times, like what's next now?
Speaker 2:And that's when I had one of the girls I had graduated with. Her name is Dakota. She had worked for an inspection company in Ottawa, ontario, and she had posted in our like alumni graduation group that you can add it into like, hey, we're looking for welding inspectors in Ottawa for XYZ. Like, if you're interested, send me a message and Dakota and I were always incredibly close. She was a year ahead of me but in that first year, like I was always kind of like her little duck following her around, like what are we doing? What are we doing? How do you do this? Like I'd always go to her for help. And she got me into welding inspection in Ottawa and that's when I started that.
Speaker 1:So did you get your inspection, your level one, before you went to Ottawa, or did you get it there?
Speaker 2:I got it there. So I got it with my boss. I was hired, bupinder Corral was my boss and so Bupinder really took me and showed me a ton of stuff, really educated me and helped me to get my level one.
Speaker 1:And did you at that point think that you know, like had inspection been on your radar before, like had it been something you thought about in your in your time, welding and working with places or even coming out of school? Was it on your radar, or was basically this opportunity the first time you really thought about it?
Speaker 2:That opportunity was really the first time I had ever thought about it because, again, like I'm just I love welding and I love learning about welding and I always like I just thought when I saw it come up I was like well, this looks like a different way to look at welding and like see what's getting done more behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:So it really drew my attention and yeah, and what was that experience for you like, coming out now and being, you know, the weldnerc?
Speaker 2:Oh it was rad. It was so rad. Man Like we, everybody says like they're so like.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, the inspector's coming, but like it's me showing up like hey well, let me tell you, if the inspector actually comes with some welding experience, that changes everything. It changes the attitude of the people on the floor. It changes the attitude of the people you're inspecting. It's a huge thing to have welding experience behind an inspection ticket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. It was rad. Man Like I I can't say I had a better experience, like the people I met, the things I got to see, the things I got to experience like I can't say it was a trip. It was a trip, it was a job. I'll never forget it was it was amazing.
Speaker 1:What's the stuff for you inspecting? What kind of jobs were they?
Speaker 2:I did the larb, the LAC, which is the library and archive of Canada, so I did a bunch of those. I was in parliament. I also got to see this really cool. It was literally just a recycling and aim is called aim recycling and Ottawa go up. So to see that thing get built, start to finish and Bupinder what is a welding engineer? So to see that really come to fruition from start to beginning was insanely cool.
Speaker 2:I got to see a lot of things around my own hometown kind of come together and it was a great learning experience because I don't think I didn't realize how much welding goes into stuff and how much it really is monitored, because before my other jobs like yes, I was monitored welding but never buy an act we had QAQC always but I never had an inspector coming in to see what I had done. So that was a really cool experience. And just to see like a lot of the jobs were start to finish, like you would go to see the columns and the base plates before they pour the concrete. Then you'd go back and you know it's just. It was so cool seeing it come together, like a big Lego set pretty much and like just different ways of putting it together. So I just got to like everything I saw, even if it was just like I went to Canadian tire and they redid some trusses in there. I was psyched. I was like that's so cool, like I shop here.
Speaker 1:So, and what was it like reconnecting with Dakota?
Speaker 2:It was really cool. I mean my name's Montana and her name was Dakota.
Speaker 1:You guys are basically next to each other in the U S.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're, we're the United States. Yeah, but when we would go to site, like the first couple of months, like I was always with Dakota or Dakota was always with me watching what I was doing, and same thing with like Bupinder and everything like that it was amazing because we just got along so well and we have such the same sense of humor and like we are, there's so many funny stories that I could tell you of us on site together, because it was like the blind leading the death, sometimes, like we were just wandering around hopeless wanderers with these guys looking at us being like, you know, like gridline this is, you know, like there's me, like trying to figure out where I am. Like on this 20 page Cause again now, I'm never used to these huge drawings. I'm getting these literal, like legal size yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like the winds blowing, the pages are blowing, I'm trying to figure out where I am at accordance to everything, but it was amazing. It was amazing Like I met I like I said so many great people, so many talented people with the stuff they were putting out. And you're right, like because I was a welder when I did show up, like sometimes you know, like I could, like I saw you hide your sins there, like I know what you're up to, like I know what you tried to do there.
Speaker 2:So, like I'll go look over here while you fix that. You know what I mean. And. I'd go back have a look at it and you know they were all very reasonable. It was just a great experience, a really great experience.
Speaker 1:And how long did that last for?
Speaker 2:I remember about a year, year and a half.
Speaker 1:Why for such a short period of time? Sounds like an awesome job.
Speaker 2:It was well I got the opportunity to move to Alberta.
Speaker 1:Why would you move to Alberta if you already got a killer job in Ottawa?
Speaker 2:Cause it was such a killer job. But everybody knows Ontario is so expensive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, so long term I was thinking, you know it was a great opportunity really to get to go to Alberta and a chance that I did. So I decided I was like well, might as well, you know so.
Speaker 2:I thought it was like I've tried. I know I love this and I've never tried Alberta and who knows, like maybe Alberta, I might love a job out there, or you know something, I'll buy a house, or houses are more affordable, living's a little bit more affordable out there than Ontario for buying houses, especially where I'm living right now. And I just decided to do it cause I was. I think I was 24 at the time and not that I'm much older I'm 25 now but I was 24 at the time and yeah, I just kind of lined up well. So I was like well, I'll give it a go.
Speaker 1:And did you go out there as an inspector?
Speaker 2:No, I applied actually. Just I applied as a welder and an inspector to a ton of different jobs to a ton of different jobs and I ended up getting this job with the CWB as inside sales.
Speaker 1:So you got the inside sales job in Alberta.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:But you were already in Alberta.
Speaker 2:I was yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:So what job did you have in Alberta before CWB?
Speaker 2:No, it was like I had moved to Alberta was just for just free, free vibing. Oh, I see I see.
Speaker 1:So I thought you had found a job in Alberta already, and that's why you went there, but you just went to. Alberta being like let's find something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like well, now I felt like it was like the best time to try a new province and like, why not? And so that's why I had went. And then, prior to moving to Alberta, I was applying for jobs in Alberta and this one came to fruition and I got so close.
Speaker 1:So how long did you end up staying in Alberta for?
Speaker 2:I stayed for just over a year, like a year 13 months, 14 months.
Speaker 1:And why didn't you just stay there? Then it is more affordable living, for you know, in general, to be in the West, right? So why didn't you stay? And what brought you back to Ontario then?
Speaker 2:My family, my family I have a pretty big family and we're all they're all in this area, like my mom, my dad, my siblings, majority of my friends. They were all here and I was always coming back to visit them, like every two months or so to fly back and forth, and I just missed it. I missed the water, not to say like I loved Alberta. I loved the landscape and the sky. The sky is a game changer out there but it was just hard being away from my family and my friends and everything, and it just felt not, not, it not it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't where you wanted to be, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it wasn't the spot.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, let's take a break now for our advertisers and sponsors, and you know we'll. When we get back on the show here with Montana. We're going to be talking about, you know, the transition into CWB, which is now desk work from as opposed to being, you know, out in the field and and what that's been like and and you know kind of running us through what it's what it's like doing her job today. So I will be right back here on the CWB Association podcast. I'm Max Ron and we'll be back with Montana.
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Speaker 1:CWB, just over about a year and a half now About a year and a half, all right, and you kind of moved to Alberta from Ontario to find out what welding gig, to see what it was like, but then never really got to do that. You never did you do any welding actually in Alberta, did you? You know? Did you finish your apprenticeship? Are you a Red Seal welder? Did that not finish what happened in Alberta?
Speaker 2:So Alberta was a bit, it was a trip. It was a trip. Things kind of got away on me and I did. I fell into this role which, you're right, is like an inside sales desk job role, and there is a reason behind why I'm decided to take a break from welding. But no, my apprenticeship is still in action. I mean, I still have. I want to say like I'm really at the cusp of being done. I'm just missing, I want to say a brutal amount of like maybe a hundred hours at this point, and I already have completed the practical portion of the Red Seal. So at this point, I'm just waiting on my last hundred hours and to write the final exam, which is definitely I want to get that done, Like I love to get that that should be on your professional development list.
Speaker 2:It is 100% it is. But I decided to take a break more from, like, the physical aspect of welding, just because I do have a really bad back, yeah, and in that, and like it's just very bad, or like I've lost about three centimeters of my back through scoliosis. Yeah, and I have a bad back and I just at that point in my career my back was really having a hard time keeping up with the amount of work I was putting it through. So I decided to just take a step back for a little while and focus on getting my body in action Because, again, I had so much experience seeing all these older guys struggling so hard physically physically with the things they were trying to do because they didn't take care of themselves and my dad being one of them.
Speaker 2:You know, like you don't think of what it's going to do to you when you're 50, 60, you're just excited in that moment to get the job done and do the work. So I decided to take a little bit of time off and just kind of focus on one, my welding skill per se. So I do spend a ton of time in my garage working on my skill level, like what it's looking like, my ability to put things together, my ability, my fitting ability and getting my back kind of back in like a good place where, like I know, at 25, you know like I'm not as young, so my body's not going to come back as fast as it was in my earlier twenties at the will in my coming later twenties.
Speaker 1:Right now, everyone listening to you that's over 40 is like what are you talking about? I know, I know. The difference between 20 and 25 is zero. Let me tell you that right now. It is.
Speaker 2:There is a difference. There is. I felt it in my knees.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:The morning of 25, I had, I had arthritis, I knew it.
Speaker 1:I woke up.
Speaker 2:I said I need a cast yet or something.
Speaker 1:Wait till you're 50, girl, my gosh. But yeah, I get it, I get it. I made the choice to you. I mean not that early, I welded until I was in my mid thirties. But I definitely was like, yeah, this is getting tough. I remember the last shutdown I did. I was like this is a young man's game. I don't know how I did this. Uh, like I'm hurting. I'm hurting now.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not for sale. Like I don't think I'll, like I don't think I'm going to be at every game for a while. I just think that at the point with my doctors and everything like it was just like a teetering point of whether either we're going to be doing this every day for the rest of your life or we can do this every day and you stop doing what you're doing and we can get you back to where you should be, and then you can start again If you'd like yeah.
Speaker 2:That's kind of just what I'm waiting for, just because, again, like I do want to have a really successful life forever and be able to do everything that I want to do and I was, like I said, double fifth in the welding jobs was not ideal for my body, especially because I've never had a good back, so, um, but yeah. So that's what I'm doing, but I love it. I love the inside sales job. I love the clients that love, I love it.
Speaker 1:Do you think you would have gone down a sales path Like even just not even thinking about CWB, um, if you wouldn't have gone down welding? Like, did you feel ever in your life like, hey, I'm pretty good at sales, because that's, that's kind of a big shift? You know, like I don't think I would be very good at sales. I'm not, you know, and I've even owned businesses and ran sales and run like I've done the whole thing, but sales was always like the part where I felt like I needed to hire somebody else, like it's like I needed someone to come help me with that part, cause I didn't, I didn't feel like I enjoyed trying to make people buy something that didn't already have. I don't. It's kind of a weird block ahead in my brain. You know, how did you feel coming into a sales role? Did you feel confident or did you need like, how did you even look at that?
Speaker 2:Like um, it's kind of true because one okay, when I saw the job I was like, okay, welding at home, like it's at home job, like the CWB love the CWB always known about the CWB, obviously Um, so I kind of just jumped for it, trying to give it a go. I got into it. I wasn't confident at first at all, um, but my, my predecessor, my predecessor, uh, shelly Jeffrey, uh she was great, like she really showed me how to do things, like what the schedule would like look like for sales, like how you should follow up, and same thing with, like, the team I'm in right now. Um, everybody I work with has just been so amazing when they all do have sales backgrounds and I don't, and I always make the joke Like I'm kind of like the feral cat that they've brought inside.
Speaker 2:And like I'm, I'm learning how to play nicely with everybody and, you know, act like a house cat now, um, so they've been super, super patient and, like my whole team, like John V, everybody has been just great and really helping to guide me and like build me into sales. Um, but I didn't really actually look at this as like, okay, I'm selling things, like. I don't look at it like that. I look at it like I've been on the other end of the phone calling the CWB, looking for a couple answers and looking to understand the process behind things and courses, and especially the level one course, since I cook it and I am a level one Um. I look at it as like I'm excited to help people with their questions and advance their welding career. Um, whereas, like right now, it's not necessarily about like, what am I doing for mine, but I'm making these great contacts with people and I'm helping them get from point A to point B when they don't think they could actually get there in some cases.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're helping them solve a problem, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's more of the aspect of it I like, like I mean I am, I'm great at sales as a benefit, but I had always looked at it as like I'm excited to work with the companies and get the companies sorted and like get them happy so like they know what they're doing and they're happy with what I'm doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in terms of like, uh, your welding background, you know we talked about, like, how helpful your welding background was to become an inspector and how that it kind of brings you, it brings some clout to what you're doing. So people know that you're not just full of BS. Now, do you find that welding background also helpful? Like you're okay, you're the feral cat that they brought in. Well, the feral cat also knows how to fight, and the house cat doesn't, right? So there's things that get that the outside does better than the inside. So do you. So what do you bring to the table coming in as a welder inspector? Now to your team.
Speaker 2:I think honestly, like just the fact that I am a welder and inspector. So when they do have the questions that like pop up like hey, like what do you know about this? Or you know, like what is the process of this or anything like that Like I'm always like super excited to be able to help them, give them the answers and get them that like show them how it, how it works in the process, on the other side of the phone of what our clients are going through. So I think that's been helpful. So like and I mean like we have meetings, obviously that team and I, and like we I've shown them what an inspection report looks like. I've shown them, okay, like this is what you would do when you get to site, this is what you're looking at. And, with my background obviously, like I have a good knowledge of the CSA codes and everything, so I think I'm used for that too.
Speaker 2:We're like where do you think I would find this in this CSA? And for the most part I'm pretty good at just like sending them the actual just like 7.4.1, one like then you find your answer. So, yeah, and I think that's been great and yeah, it's been great, it's just been, like I said, like I love learning and I love welding, so I think this has just been a great opportunity to see it from yet another side of the industry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what? What has been some of the biggest things you've learned coming into this side of the fence? You know cause, like I mean for myself as a lifelong welder, you know it was interesting. When you're like, you know, we love the CWB, I come from an industry that we didn't, you know it was like out in the West we're not like huge, like yay, cwb was more like uh, cwb coming to take our money again, you know. So now I'm on this side of the fence and I'm cognizant of that being like, hey, we're not always the good guy, we're not always we are the mandatory part of the industry that is a bunch of hoops for people to jump through that they are like, oh, we got to do this again. So what can we do to make that better or communicate better our side of that story? You know, what have you learned about, you know, your son or your time now in the CWB?
Speaker 2:What a tricky question. What a tricky question. I think I hear what you're saying. I definitely see like there are a lot of companies out there who are not like loving the CWB, and that's their prerogative and I can totally understand it and I understand their side of it and I can see it. I think in my experience with the CWB, I see what's going on behind the scenes, where I think, even though I think that, even though, like, as any company grows and learns, like every company discusses things and you know, some people don't like what some companies do and that's okay, but, like you said, like we're the regulatory body in some cases and people we don't always love mom and dad but they're there.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, we don't always love them, but they're trying to look out for us and that's all. At the end of the day, we're just trying for the betterment of welding and I think, and that's just what. And I think some people think we're just there to discipline and maybe not be so nice, but I think we are just trying to make welding more accessible, easier to do and fun to learn about. I don't know.
Speaker 1:That's what I think.
Speaker 2:That's how I feel.
Speaker 1:No, and it's true, like I mean, I think you kind of nailed it there, like when you said like, well, you don't have to necessarily like mom and dad, but they're looking out for you. I always give people the example of airplanes. Like people are like oh, codes and standards, there's just a money grab, blah, blah, blah. I hear it all the time in my life, you know, and it's like okay, well, you want to get on that airplane at 30,000 feet that's a thousand kilometers an hour and not think that anyone checked. Would you like people to have checked? I think you would like people to have checked, because checking is important. So you know it's. It's easy to say that we don't want it or it's cumbersome or whatever, but at the end of the day, we all want to know that we're safe in the things that we're doing. The buildings were in, the bridges were driving over, the planes that were flying in, the boats were sailing, and we want to know that there was some form of procedure to make sure this was okay. Same with doctors and same with lawyers and same with plumbers. And so we're not, we're not outside of that, and I think it's. It's.
Speaker 1:It's important for us, you know, as CWB advocates now to try to be like hey, yes, that is a part of the industry, but we're also helping you get there. We're not just throwing it on the table and being like here, good luck, man, check it out bro. Like yeah, no, it's like okay, well, this is where you got to get. How do we get there? What do you need? You know and, and, and that's that's the other side of the coin, that we try it. And with the association, it's like, and even the foundation, it's like that extra step, like not even just your job, but the industry in general making sure that it's healthy and strong, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I just I think the CWB is great honestly, like the more I get to learn about it and trust me, like I've been on the other side where I am a welder and I'm kind of like you know, like this, okay, like great, I'll do this now because the CWB says I have to. But now, seeing the whole picture, like I understand it and I get it, and even though it sucks, you got to do it sometimes and that's just what it is and I, I, I get it now and I think the CWB is just doing their best, their utmost best, to help its people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Now, what do you see for your future? You know, like you, you, you've been winding all over the place, see, you want to climb the ranks of the sales organization at CWB and be the big head honcho someday. Would you like to try out other areas of CWB? You know, when you look at your dream list, what do you see in the future? Syrup, media 2019 strategies, opportunities.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I love it. I love to see where this like this job and the CWB takes me Right now. I did just buy my first house of just a few months ago back in Ontario. So for the career, like because my life has been so winding these past couple years, I'm kind of I'm not. I've decided this year like I'm not going to go look for anything specifically. I'm going to see what comes my way in prosperity for my career and just kind of take it day by day and I mean I'm so excited that I have my own house now that I've been planning like a ton of like, like little welding projects that I want to get done for my house specifically. So I've just honestly been spending a lot of time puttering in my garage doing that kind of thing and I'm I'm satiated. You know, I get the smell.
Speaker 2:I get that you know it's that it's great to be home with all my other friends who are still welders, so I get to. I get the better smells off that one they come by and everything and it's great. Like, yeah, for my career, I'm just going to see what comes. Come to my way for for now, and enjoy what I've done so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to ask you a weird question Do you like to read, are you a reader?
Speaker 2:I'm a big reader.
Speaker 1:All right, because use the word satiated and that's a fantastic word, is great vernacular and and a lot of people I wouldn't you know. I don't hear a lot of great vocabulary out in the world anymore and as a big avid reader myself, I appreciated the use of a good word. So I loved it, loved it.
Speaker 1:So I caught on to that right away. I'm like OK, she must read, because that's not when that comes up on the go. You know on Facebook, you know like yeah, so you know, in, you're here now. You're playing it day by day. Everything's rolling good, You're happy. You got your house. Let's talk about what's in your house, because I know you got pets, so let's talk how many pets you got.
Speaker 2:I have a good, a good solid amount I have. I want to say, all in all, I'm in the 20s.
Speaker 1:Oh Lee.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You love it though.
Speaker 2:I love it, man, I love it. No, I have no landlord. Nobody's telling me I can't bring home anything else. I'm taking down walls, I'm putting up support for these guys like it's the best. So I do. I have a full house over here. I have two dogs, four cats, a lot of bunnies, turtle, I have a fish tank, I have a snake and I have a wounded mole that I have living in my garage that I've named guacamole.
Speaker 1:I love it. Love it so, as a fellow turtle lover and advocate and owner, you know, tell me about your turtle before we end up the show here.
Speaker 2:So Paul, Paul is a red-eared slider and actually you and I were just messaging about him because he does actually have a little shell rot right now, which is a very common it's common. In soft shell turtles. I took him to the vet. We went to the exotic vet together me and.
Speaker 2:Paul, and it turns out he must have. When I was filling his new tank I filled it too high and he's very. He's a rascal, he was a rat, that's the easiest way to put it. Anything he can get into, he wants to get into it. And I didn't realize turtles have such a little personality on them.
Speaker 1:Like they truly are. They are very intelligent animals, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like a cat-dog crossover, like personality-wise, and he had escaped from his enclosure. And he had actually chipped a little side of his shell when he landed. He got a small crack and that's what started. The shell rot and I didn't even notice it because he's also growing right now. So his shell is actually peeling as the shell's getting bigger. So it was a big panic, but it was Paul's good to go. So me and Paul, we'd be vibing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that happened to pepperoni. She got out of her tank once, cracked her shell, but I caught it right away and I called our exotic vet and he's like, just crazy glue it. And I was like really, they're like, yeah, for real. So I crazy glued the crack and she healed up, although it leaves a scar. She has a little scar. She has a scar in her like as much as she's grown and her shell sheds every few months. The scar stays.
Speaker 1:It's really interesting to see how that she's got her little scar on her shell from when she did the big dump and now I know not to put the water up so high, because they figure out how to get out. They're smart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was my bad, it was a mom mistake. It was a mom mistake, so yeah, I did not get the mom award that time.
Speaker 1:All right, well, montana, thank you so much for being on the show. Is there any shout outs or anything you'd like to say to anybody?
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like everybody was helping me along.
Speaker 2:Yeah, paul, thank God for Paul. Thanks for being chill and not mad at me for not noticing. I'm very sorry. It was small, to be completely honest, like it was. Even the vet was like right there, I don't like where. So it was small. But yeah, thank God for Paul and just thank God for everybody who's helped me to get to this point in my life, and my sales team and Dakota Bupinder, everybody.
Speaker 1:So just super thankful and if anybody wants to come work at CWB, how did you find it? And just you know if anyone's interested.
Speaker 2:I put it on a deed I found CWB was actually really great for advertising for what jobs are available in that area on all the platforms available, for that people look on.
Speaker 1:Awesome. So if anyone's interested in coming to work for CWB or maybe possibly even work with Montana and just check out your local job ads and I know that we have our own careers page at CWB group as well, so that's fantastic. Again, thank you, montana, for taking the time today to be with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.
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