The CWB Association Welding Podcast
The CWB Association Welding Podcast
Episode 214 with Daniele Calista and Max Ceron
The CWB Association brings you a weekly podcast that connects to welding professionals around the world and unrepresented communities as we continue to strive for a more diverse workforce. Join us as we celebrate National Volunteer Month to showcase the incredible contributions of our Chapter Executives from across Canada and globally.
Discover the fascinating journey of Daniele Calista, a doctoral student at the University of Alberta's Canadian Center for Welding and Joining, as he shares his path from undergraduate studies to specialized research in high-frequency electric resistance welding. This compelling conversation reveals how Daniele's participation in Formula SAE racing sparked his passion for welding, eventually leading to industry-sponsored research that bridges theoretical knowledge with practical applications. Beyond research, Daniele discusses his role as president of the University of Alberta's Canadian Welding Association student chapter, highlighting how volunteering develops crucial professional skills that complement technical education.
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All right, I can check. Check, I'm good. So I'm Max Duran. Max Duran, cwb Association Welding Podcast, pod pod podcast. Today we have a really cool guest welding podcast. The show is about to begin.
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Speaker 3:Hey, max, thanks for having me. Matt, it's going great. I'm very excited to be here, very excited to be on the podcast and to tell you a little bit about myself and tell you a little bit about the CCWJ.
Speaker 1:You know I've known you for a couple of years now, since you've been working on your post-grad, grad and post-grad, and I love your personality. You're not one of the shy ones. You know, there's always a lot of shy students.
Speaker 3:You're not one of those shy students and it's been a pleasure to know you the last couple years and watch you grow and mature, even as a student, thank you. Thank you, man. I've had the luxury of having some very valuable experiences in my undergrad and, having jumped into my graduate studies here, I've had a really good opportunity to hone them in practice in the field, at conferences, with people like yourself and other professionals. So it's been a constant effort of learning and growing with things that I've picked up through my undergrad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so let's start with what you're studying. So what are you doing right now? What is it that you're doing in college?
Speaker 3:So I am currently doing my doctoral studies at CCWJ. My project is sponsored by Evraz North America, canada and basically my project is to gain a better understanding, or gain a fundamental understanding, of a rather niche welding process called electric resistance welding or high frequency electric resistance welding. Now most people, most welders, are out there with a torch in hand you know out on the pipeline, but are out there with a torch in hand, you know on the pipeline, but how does the pipe get there in field? And a large portion of pipe that's manufactured is through ERW electric resistance welding. But there's some nuances in the process in terms of procedure design, procedure analysis, process analysis. And that's where my project is targeted to to help support industry in taking the next steps to improving processes, knowing where to set the knobs prior to welding, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:And you know electric well resistance welding, electric resistance welding has been around for a while, but I feel like the technology into inverters and electrical formats, electrical waveforms, has really opened up a whole nother diorama in the high frequency range, and I think that that's when a lot of people started re-evaluating existing processes, because now, with the overlay of high frequency waveforms, you can do things that we weren't able to do before yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So electric resistance welding um sort of started in the in the 40s and 50s, I believe um and it was sort of a started with under.
Speaker 3:the people were like, hey, if we do this and we do that and we put these two together, we bring the, the sheet, a sheet of metal like this, like, like this, and then press it together and induce current, we should be able to get it to weld. And it worked. It started out DC and then, as time goes on into the eighties and nineties, is when the high people switched from DC to just sinusoidal AC frequency and that's been sort of the standard ever since. But a big sort of maybe trade secret between companies here and there is that some companies they'll publish but they uh always hide the good stuff they always leave researchers or other people at wanting like, okay, but how did you do that exact thing?
Speaker 3:um, so how did you know that 200 kilohertz is better than 300, or 300 is better than 200? For that case, how did you know what to set these, the v distance, that sort of thing? Um, that, those are still.
Speaker 3:Those are still things that are answered based on experience so somebody will be in the mill for like 15, 20 years and they'll be joe on the shop floor. Everyone knows like they go to him and, uh, he'll, he'll be able to tell them what to do. But for somebody, a shop that doesn't have that, they, they, they're at a trial and error stage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this is a big undertaking because you know to get into these niche spots you really have to work a long time in the general right, like you have to come up through engineering you have to get into. You know Canada doesn't have a really a welding engineering program, but probably material. So you know what was, what was the education that got you from grad, like from your undergrad, to this spot um, back I.
Speaker 3:I think it's valuable to mention that even from my high school I, uh, I I knew I wanted to do grad school for my high school. I was lucky enough to be, to have that sort of choice and available to me and ingrained in, like my, my desires. Um, so I knew that from the start. But when in my first year in undergrad I actually toured our lab, the ccwj and I literally thought to myself, oh, welding's kind of I'd rather do polymers or something like that um because I was very interested in like impact absorption for hockey equipment and those sorts of
Speaker 3:things um. But as time goes on, as I go through all my undergrad and do more courses, I'm like taking more heat transfer, mass transfer um analytical modeling of things, with actual equations to gain like actual representative expressions of things um that are unique and they're simple but they're easy to use um for people who can read them. And I realized that all the things I was interested in in undergrad were was what welding was. And then on top of that, in my undergrad I was very fortunate to be a part of the U of S formula SAE team, which they really quickly they build like a formula one style open wheel race car. We build a new one each year and they compete internationally.
Speaker 3:So I was in undergrad materials but being on the formula team, which was like 90% mechanical engineers, mechies, I was able to really round myself out and get a more practical design aspect, which is also required for welding, because a lot of material science is very, very open-ended or advanced, or the real answer for any material scientist is it depends If you ask a lot of material science is very, very open-ended or advanced, or the real answer for any material scientist is.
Speaker 1:It depends if you ask them a question they always answer.
Speaker 3:It depends. In that case it can give a little bit more of a straight answer. But I was able to get a good mix of both of those worlds and that's sort of what landed me here, because and that's sort of where my project is geared towards.
Speaker 1:We have some open-ended questions and I'm trying to give direct answers, um, by using systematic things, trying to find those practical applications. It's something, yes, it it's. On one hand, it's very obvious we need practical applications for things that. But on the other hand, there is a desire to see how far you can push the theoretical right, because eventually the dream is that the practical catches up to the theoretical right.
Speaker 3:Exactly, yeah, and that's sort of a big thing that I learned from Formula was, and I personally believe that a lot of students, like almost all students, should do undergraduate project design. It doesn't have to be Formula, it doesn't have to be a project car, but there's so many project cars up there or student projects out there where when you actually have to make something, when the chips are down and you actually have to get something in your hands, it's way different than handing in an assignment.
Speaker 3:Or handing in a report Because the report is like I wrote it down. I don't know if it works, but if it's real you have to know does it actually work?
Speaker 3:And the practicality is something I learned to appreciate through Formula a lot, because at the end of the day, if it's not, if you're not able to put it in practice, it's tough to say you really contributed something, which is ultimately what I want to do. I want to contribute to society with what I want to do. I want to contribute to society with what I can do best.
Speaker 1:So this desire that you have, that I sense in you, I see in you, where does it come from? Was five-year-old Daniela running around being like I want to grow up to be an engineer, or when did this come into play? Because I get the feeling from conversations with you that five-year-old Daniela was probably more focused on wanting to be a professional hockey player than anything else in this world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, To some, I did play hockey when I was younger Good old bird of boy, but yeah, I started out with sports and then I realized my knack was real with academics and I I realized that from a young age where my parents would really start, they started off with like lego sets, that sort of thing, um, and then I got got a real knack for like taking things apart, putting them back together, the classic story, and at that point I realized like that I have a knack for for stem specifically, yeah, um, and then I just from then up until like maybe junior high, high school, I I realized it now looking back but every decision I made in terms of did I decide to put effort into a course or did I decide to put effort into assignment or something, or explore a topic or build something or look at something, everything I made was doing two things it was serving my natural curiosity and then also keeping as many doors open for me as possible, um, which is and that's ever since that I realized that that's what I keep doing and I keep always landing into my luckily, I'm able to land back into my curiosity, which is STEM.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and did you ever struggle with figuring out? You know how you're going to apply that, because you know in high school the conversations start. You know what are you going to do, where are you going to go, what are you going to study? And engineering is a wide, broad topic that a lot of people like to throw out there to be like well, what about engineering? Well, geez, that's. Engineering can be anything from a technician to a doctoral student or doctorate, right. So what do you? How did you start to work your way through that maze of where you want to go? Like you said, hockey brought you. One of the first questions to you is working with hockey equipment polymers. Yeah, you know, there there's a great transition. You know, how was it that you filtered that out?
Speaker 3:yeah, so I what I was really interested in at the start, when I was in high school and will be younger. I thought to myself what are the two things I like the most? Hockey and stem, making things, putting things together, engineering that sort of thing and I thought I, I, after doing a lot where lego sets that sort of thing, I love lego star wars. I'm very thankful for my parents just absolutely spoiling that. Those sorts of gifts every year, um do you?
Speaker 1:it sounds like you still get lego star wars at christmas oh yeah, oh yeah, totally like I have to.
Speaker 3:Like my girlfriend spoils me too, I have to, um. So I started to realize, like if, if we can make these sorts of objects and compartmentalize them into small pieces and build other things out of them ie lego pieces uh, what's to say you can't view the real world like that?
Speaker 3:so I I sort of in in in a sense, be like maybe atoms or like a lego pieces, and if you can harness lego pieces, maybe you can harness atoms or harness microstructures, that sort of thing materials. You harness materials to use them for whatever you want. And then from there I was like, okay, I'm interested in this, I also love hockey. My dream job might might be combining the two things.
Speaker 3:I like them, yeah yeah so then I was looking into things and I saw, uh, there was some interesting things on uh way back in like 2015. Uh, it's called d30 foam. Um, ccm had a partnership with d30 uh to put in their hockey helmets, and d30 foam also makes motorcycle uh gear equipment. Um, it's really uh, it's like a non-newtonian type of full um foam that under high impact it stiffens up, but under soft impact it's really soft um. So, like, okay, to design that.
Speaker 3:That'd be very cool because now you can actually control the material and do what you want isn't that just cornstarch and water For a fluid?
Speaker 1:yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3:But to make that in a foam and to actually make sure it's in the right temperature range and it has the right ratings and all these things.
Speaker 3:I was very interested in that and then from there, I just so. Then I entered engineering and I was like, okay, I'm set, I want to do, as of right now, these are the two things that interest me the most. I'm gonna ride these up and see what happens, um, and then from there it was just a cascade of keeping those two. Like whenever I made a decision in terms of next steps, it was what keeps the most doors open for me and what keeps my curiosity alive, um, and so that may not be the same case for for others. Yeah, um, I think if I, if I was not saying I, if I was not, um, if I didn't have as much of a knack for like equations and modeling and the technical stuff, I, I could totally have seen myself end up as like a machinist or a fabricator.
Speaker 3:That sort of thing, because I love making things with my hands.
Speaker 1:A builder, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah and like there's such. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that you get such a sense of pride when you can make something and you can see it and you, you had a design on paper and it's doing what you wanted it to do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, so that that's the sort of if any sort of those things resonate with people, like curiosity, making things, having them do them, things in control, a controlled setting. Um, then that that's when I would recommend to younger people or students to consider a career in STEM or this engineering, um, something where you, they make stuff, yeah now you get into the U of A, you're in engineering, but the CCWJ is a separate entity.
Speaker 1:On campus you can be a materials engineer all day and be happy and graduate and go out into the workplace at the U of A without having anything to do with CCWJ. So so why did you make that jump? What lured you in to being specifically involved with the Canadian Center for Welding and Joining?
Speaker 3:It's a great question. There's many layers to it, as I mentioned I, when I first toured the CCWJ in my first year actually in open house too and I thought, no, this is not the thing, welding's not the thing. So I was. I was on work plans throughout my my degree and I did that specifically where at the u of a here we get three work terms at different months four months, eight months, eight months and I specifically just set them up to be like okay, I'm going to set one up to be where I'm in industry.
Speaker 3:I'm going to set one up to be a research assistant because I'm I'm interested in research, so I can do my work term like that. And then the other one I set up to be so somewhat adjacent, related to teaching, because I I enjoy teaching, I enjoy conveying concepts to people, um, whether it's mentoring younger students or even it's a natural progression of education to teach, yeah yeah, yeah, um and I.
Speaker 3:And it was the same sense of pride that I mentioned, where someone who makes something and you see it, I get the same thing when I explain something to someone or show someone something and they're like, oh, that's cool or oh, I can use this, and then I see them succeed with that. It's fulfilling. So I did those three work terms like that to get a rounded out sense of OK, what which one do I in in real life do I actually enjoy the most? Okay, what which one do I in in real life do I actually enjoy the most? Um, and I found that, uh, the industry job I did which was amazing, it was a great company to work for as an engineer um, I, I left, I, I finished my work term feeling not unfulfilled, but like I was sort of bound by like codes and practices and standards because there was no flexibility for me to explore what I wanted.
Speaker 1:It's all worky bits, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's all prescribed. It's all prescribed type of work, or most of it, um, at least for materials engineering with a bachelor's Um. So I I realized, okay, I will, I want to be someone who's contributing to codes. I want to be someone who's contributing to codes. I want to be someone who's writing codes, who's expanding on them and helping apply them. And then I realized that that requires a research position in materials engineering specifically.
Speaker 3:And that is sort of what led me okay I should do grad school. I started exploring maybe other alternatives, internationally, here, and then in my last semester I took Patricia's welding course. Um fell in love with welding um, and uh, yeah, because and it was a combination of patricia being just an amazing professor, awesome teacher, super passionate um, and then, just again that, the curiosity that I had for the same things that I had curiosity in before welding head. So I just decided to continue with that trend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what's the process to get into the CCWJ? Is it like, hey, if you're an engineer and you're into welding, show up, and I'm sure there's limited spots, I'm sure there's limited projects, or how does it work with the arrangement with the U of A?
Speaker 3:Yeah, projects, or you know, or how does it work with the arrangement with the u of a? Yeah, so um. For undergrad specifically, I can touch on the start off with uh, we love undergrads, um, because we, we get, we get to show them a lot about. It's like they're, they're fresh, they're fresh engineers.
Speaker 3:They're engineers to be. So we get to show them a very good balance of a theoretical aspect and then also practical aspect, because our lab is situated as, relatively I would say it's a more industrial lab compared to others at the? U of a, yeah, um. So students get a very good balance of the two things, because they get to see what they learn in the classroom. We recall what they learn in the classroom and then they get to see okay, this is where you actually use it, you didn't just learn that equation over there and you're gonna forget about it like it's actually used here and it's um.
Speaker 3:So undergrads, we, we get them all the time, whether it's from the? U of a, from from chile, from argentina and france. International students all the time are coming visiting us um, and we have them working in on projects, either on their own projects, sort of side projects related to others, uh, graduate students, projects like the same apparatus, maybe, but side project, um, or the, the, the, their, their, their own project, um. So that's that's for undergrads and then for graduate students or um, it's it's all about interview process.
Speaker 3:So it's, it's basically if interview process, it's basically if you can get your foot in the door and communicate to us that you're passionate, you care and you want to do good things. That's really the foundation and the base there. It's an attitude-first type of thing. If you don't have the right attitude, it's tough to grow on your own. If you don't have the right attitude, you can't it's tough to grow on your own. So if you can show that you're independent, it's good. Things can come for people who want to join and are seeking to join a graduate program that is very balanced is what I would say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would say that it's. There's not. There's not a lot of places on the planet that are very specific to this industry. There's a couple per country, if that, and we're talking about the more wealthy countries that have the ability. So the people that are coming to the door are people that already have skin in the game, right, they're already there for a reason.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and for other people that are maybe in industry already or they already have a job and they're looking to partner with the CCWJ. We have industry partnerships all day long. A lot of, if not all, most of, most of, if not all of our grad projects come from industry partnerships. My wine project is from an industry partnership, the lab is very well endowed by. We receive so much support from all the welding companies in North America and so many more I could name that it's it's it's easy for undergrads to come through us and go into industry and the industry to come back and if anyone wants to, explore the curiosities, but they don't they're, they're.
Speaker 3:Maybe they don't want to go back to grad school. There's so many partnerships and opportunities through through what Patricia was was uh and our previous um associate director gets his belt at the cwj well, it's uh, it's something that is uh, what's the word?
Speaker 1:I know the word in spanish. I just came back from chile, so I'm I'm still in spanish mode, but it's something that is lacking internationally. I'm not just talking about the pure educational part, but that communication part that you just talking about, the pure educational part, but that communication part that you're talking about. You know, I spent some time in Chile. I was talking to the Chilean chapter. I've worked overseas in a number of countries and what lacks in most of the places I go is the communication between education, industry and the government, like as a, as a combined effort. So you know, if you have a universe, I see this happening all the time.
Speaker 1:I was just like this is happening in Chile at one of the labs right now. They have a wonderful lab, great equipment, great teachers, and there's research projects going on and I say, okay, where did these research projects come from? And they just came out of the ether. Meanwhile, there's mining companies, manufacturing companies, shipbuilders, agricultural, hydrogen projects All these things happening literally 100 feet outside of the door of this building and there's no communication. Is this college not doing research that is going to directly support and help sustain the economy around them, right, and that's then the government's not interested because it's not going to help the industry. The college is basically not following any format aside from the, the deans or whoever's in charge, so then why would the government get involved with any funding? So then there goes the funding. So it ends up being kind of dead in the water.
Speaker 1:A lot of students have trouble finishing out their grad degrees or postgrad degrees because they don't have a topic or something to work on. Meanwhile, industry is floundering and I literally heard about these companies in Chile farming out all their R&D to Peru or to India or to Europe or to Canada and it's like that's unfortunate. Meanwhile, here in Canada, you know we need more of these kind of colleges. We've got Waterloo, we got, you know, you guys here in Alberta, and aside from that, you have a couple private innovation companies out there that do some R&D, private innovation companies out there that do some R&D. But that communication is the key. You want the R&D to be tacit. You know what I mean To go out and to be usable, that the thing that you're doing.
Speaker 1:I always give the example of Joe Welder. I'm Joe Welder. I have no idea what you know is happening in a university lab across the country no idea. What you know is happening in a university lab across the country, no idea. But if they're spending money, I sure hope that it makes my job easier. I sure hope it does, because at the end of the day it's a long chain and we're still connected. That network, that filament that runs through us all, that carbon filament, to be specific, I, I guess, is there right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I, I, I a hundred percent agree, max, um and like, specifically for the welder, um, it's, it's, it's it.
Speaker 1:I stumped you trying to. No, no, I'm trying to piece.
Speaker 3:You had so many good nuggets there that I wanted to touch on. You just kept going and I'm trying to think back. No, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. I'm assuming they could probably edit this out or something like that.
Speaker 1:I'm keeping it. I love it I finally got Daniela without words. I finally did it everyone.
Speaker 3:So, to go back to what you were saying, in Chile, the connection with industry is extremely important. Yeah, that is one of the big drivers that I chose the CCWJ was the connection industry Because, like I said, from Formula I gained a very good appreciation for practicality. Now it's very unique, the work I'm seeing here. It's not common and, like you said, out of already unique institutions, it's even more unique to actually have projects that are providing solutions. And by providing solutions I don't mean specifically like, for example, service projects. Right, right, like industry companies, for example, could come to a university and be like I, you have this piece of equipment, we know you have it. Can you do these tests? And then your grad student can turn these samples into whatever type of paper they want. Yeah, that can be done. That can be done. That's run of the mill. But to have a discussion, to inquire questions, to have the academics ask why are you seeing this? Why does that become that way?
Speaker 1:because, at the end of the day, why do you care? But what's the end game?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah what is, at the end of the day, it's the people in the field that are actually making the things and are actually doing the practice. So in a sense, they know more than engineers probably could. They have the experiences. It's invaluable. The difference is that in academia we can explore the next step. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And so if we are sort of trying in academia, I get a sort of sense sometimes on the whole that we're trying to play like we're trying to as industry is climbing, we're trying to play with them it to, as as industry's climbing, we're trying to play with them it's like no, it goes up yeah industry goes up and academia is supposed to meet and then take the next step and the industry catches up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's supposed to be like that, um, and that's something that I I really get the sense that we're trying to do here um, which is something that is very, very special. Uh, speaking back to the, to the welder that you were talking about, that ties right into them. When, for my, specifically for my project, um, I've talked to, I've made a point about, I come up with an idea and then I go first thing, I next I do talk to operators.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's that's the first that that needs to be an essential thing for anyone trying to do practical research, and it doesn't have to be like welding. Research sometimes has a a little bit of a a claim to be all like a little bit clunky, a little bit crude. The type of research compared to it's not as um accurate or nuanced, that sort of thing, because there's so much going on, for example, even in a MIG welding torch. But that shouldn't be an excuse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't buy that argument either. Just because there's a lot going on, that just means there's more finesse. That can be. We're just not there yet. We came to the game late, you know.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And yeah, exactly, I think uh, a lot of other industries, we, the welding industry, and the relationship between academia, welding academia, welding industry, can learn a lot from other industries that maybe did things right or did things wrong and uh, right yeah, like I remember when I first got into the fabrication position at a company and I had to start working with engineers closer and I had a fantastic engineer be one of my first bosses and and he, nick coleman, shout out amazing guy. And he said to me hey man, engineers lab is where we can make mistakes and write them down. You know, because in the workplace you make a mistake, you work to forget it. Oh I welded this wrong, throw it in the scrap bin and make another one. Or this parameter I got panels, grind it out and get it out the door.
Speaker 1:We make mistakes. Mistakes are part of life, they're part of industry. But on the floor you don't think about the mistake, you just want to get past it. In a lab, you try to make the mistake, learn the mistake and figure out how to never do it again.
Speaker 1:Or create parameters, that they're just non-existent. And that's like you're talking. If you could keep academia just one step ahead of industry, you keep down that. Investment in money into academia reduces the loss of investment in rework, loss of investment in broken materials, broken plates, lost time of welders, machinery. All that train that goes down can be pulled apart in a lab initially at much lower cost and much lower risk 100%.
Speaker 3:That sort of goes back to another type of thing that I desire, that I have, or goal is serving society. Well, one thing that I've noticed, or two things actually. One is that it seems to me that people in academia should view themselves as public servants, should view themselves as public servants. I've heard this from numerous people, both in academia and in industry, and even in between, like NRC or CanMet, and I think it's true that we're at some extent academia. People are being paid by taxpayer money, so they should, they have an obligation to do good quality research that helps progress society and, in this case, for welling, serve industry. Um, and then the other thing is uh oh, I got stumped again. Um, ah, the other thing. The other thing was related to my own desire, which is to serve society. You can do it in two ways. One is you can give them tools. Right.
Speaker 3:To use so that can be actual physical tools. It can also be an equation, for example Procedural tools. Yeah, exactly A procedural tool, and people don't really think about an equation as a tool, but it is is it enables you to do something that you weren't able to do before? Right, right, um, you give them tools, but also you can help them be more efficient, right, safe and so efficient exactly safety efficiency.
Speaker 3:exactly, yeah, and that's sort of where I also see my project is that if I can help develop procedures and design procedures, I can help reduce manufacturing, waste manufacturing costs, and then there's also a trickle effect of I hope that later on the cost to consumer goes down right.
Speaker 1:We hope we hope we hope, we hope. That's what we can hope for. There's a lot of steps in between, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:That's another thing, that's another way that we're supposed to help industry. Those two ways.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Well, let's take the break for our sponsors. Right now, we're right at the halfway mark, perfectly, and our advertisers can get their words in, and when we come back here on the show with you, daniella, we're going to talk about what's going on in your world today, not just with the ccwj, but also with the chapter and your involvement there how's that sound?
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Speaker 1:And we are back here on the cwb association podcast. Thanks so much for staying with us right before the break. We're talking to daniella here about the purpose of academia. Really, I think that gets clouded and this is a. This is a conversation that I love to have. You've heard me have this conversation among groups of people because I live in both worlds. I came up as a welder, but I've also spent almost 14 years in universities and colleges studying various things to forward my career as a welder, and at some point you realize that they're intrinsically intertwined to really get somewhere.
Speaker 1:And perhaps the very seasoned welder who's worked on the shop floor for 40 years has no desire to know academia. But guess what they know? They just haven't put the numbers to it, the letters to it, the words to it. The language doesn't exist, but the formulas are there, it's coming out, it's, it's a thing, right? Um, it's like me starting a fire with two sticks. I can show you how to start a fire with two sticks and you can start a fire with two sticks, or you can write me a paper about how friction between two wooden objects creates a high enough heat to start a fire. At the end of the day, it's the same thing, right? So in your world, now you know you're coming up. As as towards your, your doctoral, you know, at some point you're going to be, you know, dr calista, where, where do you see? Well, you're, you're too far now. There's no backing out now.
Speaker 2:There's no backing out now. Yeah, there's no backing out now.
Speaker 1:It might take you nine years. No, I'm just kidding, but you know what is it that you wish to do once you're done college, because, I mean, that's a hard decision for people that have been in the education stream for so long, and I've seen this actually crush some souls. And not to scare you.
Speaker 1:Yeah'm aware, right, and I've seen it happen where now you got to do something with this thing, this, this thing, and there's an expectation externally and internally to do something with it. What is it that you want to do with that, with that finished product of a doctorate in the welding sciences?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I think I've had. Actually, I've been thinking about this a lot Because, like I said, this was the goal of mine since high school. I was lucky enough to have this as an idea in my head, that I wanted to do a goal and being I don't want to say like, like, because I haven't done it yet yeah, yeah closer to doing it now I'm very close, um, closer than I was five years ago, ten years ago, um, it's gotten me to think about the purpose and the meaning of it and I'm sort of.
Speaker 3:And then the next steps, and I'm sort of, as of right now I'm thinking about this certain way is that, in the end, I don't see this as like a thing I have to use. I see it as a stepping stone for that. It's going to enable me to do something else. I don't have to use the degree, but it's a stepping stone for me to do the next thing, to use the degree, but it's a stepping stone for me to do the next thing. And I'm opting to go back to what I've done. I believe my whole life, which is my curiosity and my desires.
Speaker 3:If I can keep those two things alive, I can keep going, and so whatever decision I choose next, it's going to keep for me the most, the most doors open as possible. So I'm thinking postdoc um uh at somewhere internationally to help round myself out, and then, wherever the powers may be, I may end up I I would like to stay in Alberta. I really love it here. I love Canada.
Speaker 3:Canada is one of the. It's the greatest country, I believe I agree. And it's where I want my family to be. So I'm fine, I believe, whether I could be in industry or in academia. I have preferences for both and non-preferences for both as well. The current state of them, but I think for me is, as long as I keep those two, those two things going, two decision criteria going, I I will be content wherever I end up yeah, and I think that's, that's very powerful, because now I'm not leaving, wherever I end up, as like the quality of metric for my happiness.
Speaker 1:Right, well, and there's a few things. There's nuggets in there that are very valuable that you mentioned, and there are ones. Some you learn the hard way. Some of you get taught. One of the ones that I loved when I was teaching at the college was you know, after three years, four years, they get their diploma and I would always say now your career starts right and people lose focus because in school feels like a career because you're working, you're there, you're doing stuff and you're you're applying yourself and it's stressful and it's hard and stuff and you tend to lose focus that you're still in school and it feels very grown up because you're surrounded by really intelligent people that are really really progressed far in their careers, but you're still in school the day you get that final diploma, regardless of what level you decide to opt out at, now's the beginning. Now you're just starting your actual career, which is applying all the things you learned to somebody. You know, upon request, not upon your choice, not upon a maybe, not upon a decision as a group, but as a pawn it's a pawn request Someone's going to show up to you and be like, okay, you have this thing, here's the job, call me when it's done. It should take you four hours and you're like what it's done. It should take you four hours and you're like what this is. That's the beginning of the career part.
Speaker 1:Now the other part of it is is something that I got taught when I was young is never run away from something, only run towards. You know, and that, and it's for all things in driving, you want to learn how to not spin out a car. Keep your eye out on where you want to be, not where you just were. You'll never spin out again. Right that? Keep your eye out on where you want to be, not where you just were. You'll never spin out again. Right? That's how Indy drivers, that's how you do it in any in sports to keep your eye on the ball.
Speaker 1:And that rule applies to a bazillion things in life Don't run from anything, only run towards. So when you get to make those decisions professionally in terms of your career, I've always kept that focus, focus, and I think that that's what you, basically your two rules imply further your desire and your and your desire to to also always explore, because when you explore, you're not going backwards. There's no such things as backwards exploration, there's only forwards exploration, because what's explored is not re-explorable. Well, that's arguable. Iable, I guess, but you know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:There's so many things to be done and people can think, okay, there's so many things to be done. What does that mean? That can mean new things. You can also go back and do things that others have already done, but for you, you, they're new and they're also going to be learning experiences and process improvement is the future man yeah, innovation over invention.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so it goes back to keeping as many doors open as possible that satisfy something, that fulfill whatever you think is keeping you happy in the moment. Engage friends, get the job that they want to do, and that's great. They're able to do it, and maybe that was their criterion, was that? One company.
Speaker 3:But for me, when I think about that, if I were to get into a position where, okay, I've worked my entire life to work for X company and then I get there and two things could happen. One, three things could happen. One it's exactly how I envisioned. Two it sucks, the grass is the grass, yeah, the grass is rarely greener on the other side, so it sucks. And now I'm like, okay, well, I based every all my decisions and everything up until now, or three you. You would lose the job and you're like okay well now what?
Speaker 1:I'm left wanting right yeah, you know that's uh.
Speaker 1:As a person who has been fired in the past and has lost jobs and has worked at some at shops that people would consider to be some of the top shops in this country and still felt unfulfilled, it's's a tricky balance.
Speaker 1:It's a lot to do with your head space. Right when you are, there's lots. Work is not everything at the end of the day. Um, there's a lot of things around you that also need to line up for things to be good. You can have the greatest job in the world, but if your home life is suffering because of this job, then it's not the best job in the world because there's a lot of pieces that need to fit Now for you. You have another layer that you add to the madness in the fact that you are also the sitting president right now of the student chapter for the U of A. So why does someone like Daniela, who has a million things on their plate, pondering their future postdoc and beyond and all these things, why would you decide to volunteer time to be a part of a student chapter for the association?
Speaker 3:it comes back to um, for me personally, two things. One, it came back to like what my, my desire, just my desire is, desires to help society. Um and what better way that the word volunteer right. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm passionate about welding. I'm passionate about what is the science behind welding? So why not help the welding society? Uh, and in Canada is the science behind welding? So why not help the welding society? And in Canada, the welding society that's. That's where I got started in the student chapter. Here at the U of A, student chapters were very tightly knit with the CCWJ as well, so it was like it was very seamless. I joined the CCWJ, I joined the student chapter. It was like simultaneously, yeah, and I started out, not as I didn't start out as the president, I started out as just someone helping around with the events and activities here.
Speaker 3:Then I became a secretary and the president, and the president after right now. Um. So I did it to do, to help serve others, but also to learn. Learn more, because there's so like there's so much to learn in the science there's so much but I truly think there's even more to learn about people yeah it's.
Speaker 3:It's one thing that for me, I I was able to get a good starting process on and when I was on formula, because I I ended up progressing as well, from like support member to a design lead for a subsystem, to project manager for about a year, or co-project manager, so I got a sense of the progression and I noticed there that working in a team environment, when you have to make something once again, is way different than working in a team environment.
Speaker 3:We just have to make a report. In a class there's a lot more interpersonal. There's already a lot of interpersonal skills and things that happen when you're making a report, when you're making something even more, and so I wanted to further hone those skills. So student chapter was a great opportunity for that. Not only do I get to continue it's sort of like a, it is a student group as well um self-led initiatives by the students, but I also now get the opportunity to network with professionals like yourself in industry um between the cwb and also the aws as well. We, we, we help support both societies um here at the?
Speaker 1:u of a yeah, well, and that networking well, let's. Let's first of all pick up what you said, because it was great the there's professional development skills that you do not get in university, that you do not get in any, that you do not get in any college, whether it's vocational or academic, and those skills the soft skills I hate. I don't like really the term soft skills. Soft sounds weak but at the end of the day they're just a whole nother set of professional development skills outside of what you're learning that are key to being successful in your career, to advancing in your career. You can be real smart, real smart and real great on paper and do amazing reports and work inside your bubble and you can be the Mozart of whatever you're doing. But unless you can translate that into something that people can can understand and relate to and even feel emotions or get emotive off of, you'll never, ever be able to advance outside of your bubble.
Speaker 1:Volunteering I've been volunteering since I was a kid. My family believes in volunteering, it's just something I grew up with. But that's where I feel that a lot of people learn their professional development skills is through volunteer networks, because you know, like you just said, you just joined, because they told you to join. Well, you're gonna go now to these things that people organized, and they didn't organize it for any other reason than for just you to be there. That's literally it.
Speaker 1:No one's making money, no one's getting paid. They just did it so that you could be there and you go and you be there and you have a great time. And then you're like, hey, that was fun, how do I become a part of this? And then all of a sudden, someone tells you hey, we need a spot for treasurer. You've never been an accountant, you've never had to do treasury, you've never had to work with business money, but now you're going to learn some basic things about journaling and bank accounts and ins and outs and running an excel sheet. These skills are invaluable to you for the rest of your life. You know what I mean and yeah, yeah and and like.
Speaker 3:Your progression through these volunteer positions is also your progression as as a professional right yeah, exactly, um, and and a good thing that I've realized is it's not just fun but, like in the moment, you realize, like at these, at the, at a technical events, uh, at you, or you realize that that discussion, that you, you were a fly on the wall and maybe I was just like, oh, I just saw a little student sitting next to two VPs talking to each other. I'm like, oh, there's a lot of subtle things in that conversation that were very important, that didn't seem important. In the moment, when you think back, it's like that was an extremely valuable experience and these people that are at these events and they're able to, they're willing to put their time up for these events, they're willing to put their time up for these events.
Speaker 1:They're passionate?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because they're passionate, but for the sole reason that people in my position can learn and grow and then do the same later on, once I grow up and am in a position to help support others as well. It's a mentorship circle. Essentially, that's what I was going to say. You get to be a part of that mentorship cycle.
Speaker 1:Well, because it's a mentorship circle. Essentially that's what I was gonna say. You know, you get you, you get to be a part of that mentorship cycle where you're at some point in your career you realize that you go from the mentee to the mentor and it can be very vague transition where you're like oh my god, I'm the mentor. Now what happened? Does that mean I'm old, like yeah, it's I've.
Speaker 3:I think it's very situation dependent too. So I graduated and I sort of passed the, helped pass the torch to the next people in the formula team. I was like, OK, now they're coming to me for questions.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, coming to someone coming to you for questions when you're in a leadership position is slightly different than them coming to you for questions because you have solely because you have experience experience yeah because they expect you to not to have the answer. Um, in leadership, they expect you to. If you can't find the answer, you go with yeah you can source it yeah yeah, but it's uh, it's an interesting feeling because you're like wait, I'm how old. Now I feel even older.
Speaker 1:Now your involvement. You know you said it kind of was seamless, but there's always an option to not be as involved as you are. I remember, I think I remember the very first year that you showed up for a CanWild and you know you had your presentations that you had submitted and we talked and I like to joke and have fun but you kind of stuck around like a little fly on the wall to like everything that was going on and I could tell that you were taking in as much as you could For you, for the people that are listening. What are the takeaways of being involved with the conferences, with the associations, whether it's AWS, cwb, api, asmi, cisc, they all have their own things. You know what are the takeaways that people should really be on the lookout for?
Speaker 3:Great question. I can say I can give an answer. Answer, I'm going to give an answer.
Speaker 3:Um, but I also want to say that I'm still very young, so I don't know if this is maybe the best answer. Um, I'm aware of my experience. That is good, but maybe not as comparable to other people in industry or in has been to these events longer than me. Um, but I can say that the the biggest takeaway comes from the, the old adage that it's not what you know, but who you know, and these types of things are where you get to know a lot of people. These are the types of things where you you can add someone on linkedin or like by cold messaging them or whatever, but this is where you get to take them out for a coffee or a beer and you get to learn about them. And then all of a sudden, they're in your head and then next time, when they need something or they're working on something, they think of you and that can be a big difference maker in that moment, because you never know where those small steps can snowball into something more. That's a great answer yeah into something more.
Speaker 3:That's a great answer. Yeah, yeah, the one step for me that snowballed into where I am today was formula yeah. One step, yeah, and that was back in 2018, because if I did not take that, I would not have been interested in in welding, because we had to weld on the car when I was interested in in fabrication, I would have. Yeah, that was the one step, that is. It just continues to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I mean for myself, when I started volunteering, you know, I I wasn't always in this position, I I was a treasurer as well. I was all these things for my local chapter when I was coming up through through as a welder here in Regina and I remember getting to meet business owners and then university students and college students and that's for me, was like okay, like not. Some of these people I'm meeting are not young. They're, you know, 10, 15 years older than me and it gave me a timeline of, like I'm not done this, I'm not done yet, like I can, I can, there's so much more.
Speaker 1:And then you, and then you start getting more, you know, you start meeting the people and and having those network contacts, and you start meeting some of the big wigs in Canada that blow your mind, like the Jim Galloways, the Patricios, the Adrians, you know, the Will Morledges, these, these, these people that are floating around this country, that are straight up geniuses, that you get to have a conversation with them in a totally chill environment where you're allowed to say whatever you want and no one's going to call you up and be like that was dumb. You know that's not going to happen. People will. The conversations are always so comfortable rich yeah, yeah, they are and, and and.
Speaker 1:I love how it always starts like with a couple professionals and then you see, like the circle of people start to kind of listen.
Speaker 3:In my favorite part, my favorite part of the conference is is after a one or two talks, or maybe at the end of the day you just see like a couple guys just talking and then some students will join and then some more industry people, and at the start it's it's more people joining because they know someone there. They're just like, oh, I'm just waiting for my friend, but then all of a sudden they get interested in the content. They're contributing to the conversation, they're contributing to the sharing. It's not just some people just listening, it's a two-way communication stream and I really have to not only say that it's up to the students to do this or up to young professionals um, you don't have to be a student to go to these conferences, that's right, um but it's also up to the people in the positions to share the knowledge.
Speaker 3:The patricia, the well mortalages, the adrians, uh, the jim gallows they are very gracious with their time. Even dan had it too. Yeah, so gracious, and you it's. There would not be those circles if those people would not be at the epicenter of those circles yeah, yeah, and like I mean internationally, like I I'm an international guy, I like international relationships.
Speaker 1:It was something early in my career I was like I want to learn how it's like to work in other countries and how things like that happen and some of those connections I made 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 10 years ago. Now I go to like Fabtechs or I go to whatever's and I'm running into friends and that's like kind of for me. You know, when we were talking about why volunteer? Why attend conferences? Why attend local sessions, AWS society meetings or the CWBA meetings? Why even bother? Because I have tons of welder friends who will never get off their couch to go to one of these meetings. They have zero interest in going to one of these meetings and they're like why do you go? Why do you go? It's not just about learning at this point in my career.
Speaker 1:I have friends there. I have friends that I see once a year at the conference, once a year in the U S, once a year, you know, at the in South America, and we get so pumped to see each other and to see how our careers have been going, what's new, what's been happening. You know that the, the, the perspective just gets so wide and rich, and I love it. I'm here for it yeah, it's, uh, it's.
Speaker 3:it's something that I very much look forward to as I, as I go throughout my my career be it either I lean more towards academia, industry um, I don't know where I'm gonna end up, but it's, it's definitely something that I see is the ability with conferences, and when you take the time to network. It could be five years, 10 years, but down the line it does come back. It does come back, and it's always a two-way street. If you give something now, then later, later on, you'll get something back, and I'm I'm also like a firm believer that too, because, uh, a lot of times when you work hard now, you can reap the rewards later yeah, yeah, don't, don't keep a scorecard.
Speaker 1:That's when some people do that, why did? This. I don't worry about what you did, let's just think about tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, just do things be off the heart, on the cuff of your sleeve. Just do what you can, but don't close doors.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, how do you mentor some of the young students coming in? I remember you brought up Mia right and Mia's growing as a person right now, before our eyes. She's so shy the first time you guys brought her out. How do you mentor someone like that, who definitely is intelligent enough to be sitting at the tables, definitely got the ambition, but very overwhelmed, very, you know, shy and these these, you know these these associations like yourself. A big part of your mentorship is getting them out there, right, yeah yeah, so Mia's our vice president right now for student chapter and I don't know my personal opinion.
Speaker 3:she puts on a little bit of a facade. She's not shy. She's even more outgoing than me. She's one of the most outgoing people I know. She was just playing very strategic. She was very smart in taking things in before portraying anything.
Speaker 3:She wanted to really assess her surroundings. Yeah, see what? What is what she's getting into? And she's been awesome like the one of the fastest, if not the fastest, professionally growing people. I know I see her long term doing, contributing to codes and standards massively massively her project's awesome um she's. She's doing awesome work um her and eddie and carter in the lab. They're doing they're doing great work.
Speaker 1:They're doing great you're gonna miss this team when they're all out of there well, that's the thing. Uh, that's what we all say we're gonna miss.
Speaker 3:we going to miss X person when they go and I can think, okay, are they really gone? Yeah, they're not gone. You're going to see them. We are connected even stronger than some people that you meet at a conference.
Speaker 1:So I see some of the strongest industry connections that I'm going to use in my future. Right here it's funny I ran into somebody at a conference last year and I said I think I see you more often than I see some of my friends in Regina. It's just the way it is. Our careers can be quite consuming, and that's fine. Now to kind of wrap up the interview you know for you, where would you see your next steps in terms of your volunteerism? You know, because you're coming up on grad, then you're kind of out of the student chapter and some people that's as far as they go Do you see yourself sliding into uh, uh, you know further volunteer work with other societies, or with the edmonton chapter even? Or or is it going to be time to to kind of get to work and put the work hat down, or how do you see this playing out?
Speaker 3:yeah, I, uh, this is funny, you asked me that question a year ago. I would have had, or maybe even a few months ago I would have had a totally different answer to now. Um, before I would have said, yeah, I'm going to take some time off and uh, and whatever, uh, get get down to work. But I, I, I realized that it sort of goes back to like temporary solution is never temporary, right? You're like, oh, I'm gonna put some duct tape on that and that hole and I'll fix it later.
Speaker 1:No, that duct tape is going to fall. So I think for me. That duct tape is there for life now. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:So I think for me, long term, I 100% want to keep giving back, because I am here today solely because of people giving me things, whether it was my parents or other professionals. People gave me things and I was able to, so I want to give back. Um, I may be doing a little bit less while I finish up my degree, but I will still be involved with the edmonton chapter, um, and I hope to be involved with the other technical societies as well. Yeah, um, to just continue the momentum that I have, because I think the being in a part of the student chapter here of a technical society has really given me the opportunity to learn how to run a technical society, and I have previous experience with other projects, but here it's giving me some good experience about how to run a technical society well, how the dynamics work between the local society and then the national at large and how to get the most of it and produce the most out of it. So I think I have me myself. I'm sort of obligated to keep going a little bit.
Speaker 1:At least if it's to hand that off to somebody as a person, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, to still be present. So I do intend to be present, yeah and uh, I look forward to to many great things in the future.
Speaker 1:Well, if you can learn anything from me, I've tried to quit this 100 times and I keep coming back. I don't know. It's it once, it's in you, it's in you now. For for the volunteers out there, how can they? How can they get a hold of your chapter? How do they become involved? Or any young engineers in Alberta that are interested in what you're talking about, how can they reach out to you guys and get a hold of you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, awesome. So we have sort of three main channels of communication. Probably the most relaxed one, or chill one that people would go through, is our Instagram page. So, you can DM us on CWb underscore aws u of a chapter. Search that up, you should. You should find us um. We also have a linkedin page, the ccwj. Oh, by the way, ccwj linkedin page you can dm, we'll.
Speaker 3:Uh, we're keeping an eye out for people who are interested. And then also our student chapter email, ccwj chap at eulburnaca. People are interested. Um, again, we are students, so if we get like a hundred emails it's gonna take us a while for us to get through but, uh, we will do our best to get through them because, uh, we are just in the midst of planning our, our big year capping sort of event the ccwj annual seminar, which will be in may um we'll give us some information on that, because this will be released in April, so plenty of time yes, awesome the flyers are.
Speaker 3:We already released the first round of flyers on our LinkedIn page, the CCWJ LinkedIn page. I'm going to be sending out a second round to UMACS so you're going to be able to disperse things through CWB and also the other chapters. We're very excited, very excited to have Dr Dwayne Miller again this year. Um, for those who don't know, this guy is the epitome of lecturers and knowledgeable individuals in the welding world. Um, he's going to be giving us a two day series on a welded connection design. So the big thing that I uh we've had Dwayne twice already and the big, the big takeaways is that he gives practical and informative examples and discussion opportunities. Um, at our ccwj annual seminar, we give, uh, not only the opportunity to learn about a critical topic in welding, which this year is going to be welded connection design related to fatigue and seismic failure, which I think albert is going to start leaning towards a little bit Frockalackin, yeah, yeah, so we're already ahead of the curve. Good, good, we got.
Speaker 3:Dwayne talking about that stuff, but also networking, because our seminar has been over for over a decade. We've created sort of a hub every year for professionals from Alberta, even across Canada, come to our seminar at the U of A. It's on May 14th to 15th this coming. It's coming May.
Speaker 1:I think that's the weekend right before the long weekend, right? Yes?
Speaker 3:All the details will be in the flyers. We'll have a web page and everything set up Alright awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, everyone, you heard it here you gotta attend, uh, you gotta attend. You gotta make sure it's the biggest show ever. You gotta make sure that you head up to edmonton for me but I picked up what you put down there but it's gonna be.
Speaker 1:I mean the chapters. I can't help tell everyone I say it all the time, whether it's through us or somebody else networking is the key for your personal growth, your professional development and making sure you got that extra, that leg up on the competition. When you're out there scoring work like it's huge and uh. For you, daniela, it's been wonderful watching your career, you know, blossom, although you haven't technically started the career part yet, but watching your educational career blossom and and seeing how you're, how you're growing, and I'll be looking forward to seeing you in in Red Deer in in in June.
Speaker 3:I'm looking forward to it, Max. I can't wait to catch up with everyone at the NAC meeting and the rest of the chapter execs at the WID. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Awesome. And yeah, and for all the people listening, make sure you do a few things. This, this episode, will come out in April. So, number one, you'll be able to find out all the information about WID welding industry day in Alberta. It's going to be in Red Deer, june 11th and 12th. So by now registration will be out. Sign up quick there. By now registration will be out. Sign up quick.
Speaker 1:There's going to be lots going on. There's going to be speakers all day, there's going to be events hosted by industry, networking events. There's going to be a VIP party, which is always a blast that's paid for by industry. And then the next day we're going to be doing a bunch of stuff with Red Deer Polytechnic and industry tours and we're even talking about having a show and shine and bringing out some cool cars and having a fun night. Just, you're just chilling out with industry. So it's going to be a couple of days and beautiful red deer in Alberta, the middle ground. So we're going to have Edmonton chapter U of A chapter and a Calgary chapter representing. So it's going to be fantastic as well. Chapter events happening across the country. You know, as well as the U of A here, there's chapter events happening in every province throughout the year. This time of year there's lots going on in every province, so make sure you check out your local chapter. Signing up for membership is always free, so don't miss out on that. Daniela, thanks for being on the show today.
Speaker 3:Thanks, max, thanks for having me.
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